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Well, if you read my post, you would have seen that I did indeed compare the YZ250F vs. YZ250. And if the KX250 sucked so much, then how come it won so many shootouts? Oh and about making them lighter...yeaaa, there is called an AMA weight limit, that is why the new and LIGHT 250sx is illegal to race.  

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yeah, i know, but the comparison 'tween the KX250 and KX250F is off in my opinion. as far i know it didnt win any shootouts and in MXA it took last. racerx and transworld also put it low in the rankings. it is not a good bike. you could see that if you rode one or even watched one. my buddy has one and he has to stomp his foot down to keep it upright in any turn that dosnt have a berm to richochet off of. plus, the KX250 has a steel chassis vs. an aluminum. the yz's all have similar chassis as does the KTM's and hondas. now that i think bout it. the RM vs. RMZ probably wouldnt be too accurate as the rm250 has a steel frame.  
2005 YZ250F
2006 RM250
Tragedy and hardship are the forge that produce men of steel

and as for now, you can screw the ama weight limits for the 2 strokes.  
2005 YZ250F
2006 RM250
Tragedy and hardship are the forge that produce men of steel

no doubt. Lots of good info on both sides. The YZ is fun a chit isn't it? that light and great handling with tons of power. What 2 stroke are you going to get?? Any ways, I dont compair the whight of a 250f to a 250 2 stroke because thats not the class we are talking about. A 250f can't compeat with a 250. But the 125 can, And is lighter. As the 250 is lighter them the 450. If you put the displacment even on both bikes say a YZ 285 and a 350 4 stroke, The 2 stroke will still be lighter and handel better. No? And one less moving part is all the better on a dirt bike. Not only is the dealer raking it in on out the door prices of the 4 but parts and labour can add up to a brand new 2 stroke in some cases. Any ways, Hey have you ever rode the YZ 250? You think the 125 is fun.     YZ WOODS.  

Yes, in checking it seems the 250F and 250 2-stroke are with 1 pound to several pounds of each other.  

The thread is somewhat degrading to a 2 vs 4 stroke debate which is winless on either side.

I am not against 4-strokes (had one in 2005) just prefer the 2-stroke and hate to see it regulated out of the market.  
Dave H 2006 YZ250
(2008 YZ 125 son)

yzwoods:
no doubt. Lots of good info on both sides. The YZ is fun a chit isn't it? that light and great handling with tons of power. What 2 stroke are you going to get?? Any ways, I dont compair the whight of a 250f to a 250 2 stroke because thats not the class we are talking about. A 250f can't compeat with a 250. But the 125 can, And is lighter. As the 250 is lighter them the 450. If you put the displacment even on both bikes say a YZ 285 and a 350 4 stroke, The 2 stroke will still be lighter and handel better. No? And one less moving part is all the better on a dirt bike. Not only is the dealer raking it in on out the door prices of the 4 but parts and labour can add up to a brand new 2 stroke in some cases. Any ways, Hey have you ever rode the YZ 250? You think the 125 is fun.     YZ WOODS.

If you are talking to me..yes, I have ridden all bike sizes. 125, 250f, 250, and 450 in the last month. I have ridden the 2005 CR 250 and a 2001 YZ250. I personally don't like 250 2 strokes at all. They are too explosive and when I was riding it on the pipe like you are supposed to, the thing just couldnt hook up. My favorite bikes are the 450 and 125, then 250f. When I rode the 250, I felt I could ride almost the same speed I can on my 450, but I had to work it alot harder, and it just wore me out, not to mention almost spinning out a few times. I guess it just takes some seat time on them though, as I do own a CR250.  

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250's are pretty explosive, and i was riding the one i rode in the sand. it is a lot harder to ride them and they vibrate a lot more. i felt the vibration most in the footpegs though. i pride myself on being in good shape though and i think that if i could keep a 250 under control and be fast for a 6 lap race then that would be pretty cool. for me, i dont care if i will be slower on that bike or slide out more as much as i care about it making me stronger, a better rider, more aggressive, and i have more fun. so you didnt have fun on the 250 2-stroke?? i think that they are fun. its kinda like a rollercoaster: they are scary, but they are fun at the same time. thats what it was like when i rode the YZ250. keep in mind that im just a little aquirt at 5'8 and 130 pounds. thats pretty small for a 250 2 stroke. especially since im a beginner. not many 250 2-strokes fall into the hands of beginners.  
2005 YZ250F
2006 RM250
Tragedy and hardship are the forge that produce men of steel

hey pin it, what is your skill level?  
2005 YZ250F
2006 RM250
Tragedy and hardship are the forge that produce men of steel

Its interesting; you and Pin It find the 250 2-strokes "explosive"; and I find the 4-strokes too mellow???

I guess its what you are used to.  I grew up on non-powervalve 2-strokes (those could be "explosive" in more ways than one  

I even spent a few years on 500cc 2-strokes (those could hurt you...)

I have friends that say the same thing; but I find it (YZ-250 2-stroke) very controllable and manageable; even in mud.  Its just throttle and clutch control.

You did hit on one reason 4-strokes did catch on ; all the articles agree the 4-stroke is easier for the average rider to ride.  Nothing wrong with that I suppose.

Its also interesting that according to the MXA article (I plan to email them where they got their numbers) they state the 4-stroke engine weights 10 lbs more than the 2-stroke?  My guess is they are comparing a 450F engine to a 250 2-stroke??  
Dave H 2006 YZ250
(2008 YZ 125 son)

Yeah, Actually they said (15) Pounds. I assume its a 450 250 thing. Anyway i found the smaller 4 strokes are easyer to handle and ride in the woods. I don't get into trouble as much. I think the 125 2 stroke is the most fun witout having to work. But like Dave, I grew up on them and i like the power of the 250 But i do get into trouble from time to time with the snap. A 450 is still to much in the woods, But if i wanted to just relax and have fun and tool around a 250f is great. There all great bikes these days and what it all boils down to is what you feel comfy on and what you can afford when it comes to woods. But like pin it is doing, Get your self that 125 or 250 to go along with your 4 stroke while there still new.  

I ride B class.

But I ride my 450 in the woods alot. Infact, I ride probably 50/50 MX and woods. My 450 does just fine, and I have no complaints about it being to big, heavy, or bulky.  

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And PIN IT, You are trying to tell me the YZ 125 is not better in the woods? I know you don't have comlaints. But the best woods riders in the WORLD ride 2 stroke for a reason! And they even put a 450 against a 250 2 stroke on a gncc regulated trail with skilled riders and they switched, and the 450 tourq was way to much in the tight stuff and close course. And the 250 won both times. You race, I dont, And you can tell me about the difference. But to say or even imply that a 450 in the woods is a good bet....I gotta go to the boxing gloves on this one. Anyway, 177 has a wheelie issue you could be helpfull with. Because this one is dead in the water with the woods riders in the world. I know you din't mean to say there better, Just being the devils advocate. YZ WOODS.  

MXA is the best for info and i can tell you i have never missed a month in 29 years. To point a finger at the AMA or EPA for killing the 2 stroke is not the big picture.EPA says 2 strokes pollute the air well 4 strokes pollute with sound.The death of dirt bikes in the goverments eyes will be sound.I have had 26 motocross bikes the last 6 being 4 strokes and i am going today to put my deposit on a 2008 YZ 250 2 stroke because more bang for the buck.We need to stop land clousers for our bikes both 2 and 4 strokes. It would be sad to spend 8000 dollars on a bike and no place to ride.  

hey, welcome to the board holeshot. you jumped into the deep end of the pool for your first post. 29 years of MXA. thats awesome. just from that i can probably say you are good for the board and level-headed. have fun on that new 2-stroke  
2005 YZ250F
2006 RM250
Tragedy and hardship are the forge that produce men of steel

yzwoods:
And PIN IT, You are trying to tell me the YZ 125 is not better in the woods? I know you don't have comlaints. But the best woods riders in the WORLD ride 2 stroke for a reason! And they even put a 450 against a 250 2 stroke on a gncc regulated trail with skilled riders and they switched, and the 450 tourq was way to much in the tight stuff and close course. And the 250 won both times. You race, I dont, And you can tell me about the difference. But to say or even imply that a 450 in the woods is a good bet....I gotta go to the boxing gloves on this one. Anyway, 177 has a wheelie issue you could be helpfull with. Because this one is dead in the water with the woods riders in the world. I know you din't mean to say there better, Just being the devils advocate. YZ WOODS.

When you are a pro, I reccon that a 250 vs 450 weight will make a few seconds difference, however I believe the test riders primarly rode 250 2 strokes, so that may have played a role.

I have ridden everything but a 250f in the woods, and I do think a 125 is a little easier to manage in the tight, but in the tight twisties, it hard to keep the bike in the power when you can't even get up to the speed where all the power is. I personally am used to my 450, and it won't tire me out for awhile, and think its tractability makes it perfect, and the woods 250 I rode was kinda like the 125, except it spun all over the place, and going up hills the front end kept coming up, so I had to fan the clutch where I can just lug up on my 450 with out a sweat. I guess if I rode a purley woods set up 250 I would like it, but since I do both MX and woods, a purley woods setup would not fly.  

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