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OK i'm riding a CR250R and have been riding it for about one year. I've always wanted 4 stroke and was looking at a CRF450R is it worth moving up or are they to heavy  

why would want to move from a far superior to something worse.  
1998 cr125
2002 cr80

is it really worse or are you just soked up in 2 strokes  

i have ridden both, the 250 is way funner. plus the 450 i rode had a lot of problems. frequently too. which might account to why it wasn't as good as good as the 250. go to a dealer and try on out. they let you do that and a lot of people dont seem to try that.  
life's a garden, dig it

no in the june issue of DR jimmey lewis had a really good article about the best mx bike and the 250 won. the 450 have so much torque the pros have to detune them so the power is more spread. a 250 has better response and feels way better at everything. the 450 feels like a tank while the 250 is agile and can be thrown around and it has a lot of power. most of the pros are forced to race 450 because of their contracts but a lot have came out and said if they had a choice they would race on a 250.  
1998 cr125
2002 cr80

especially honda's, they were known to have valve issues, and i don't like the idea of having to keep shims around.

yamaha's have very stroke valves it seams.

kawi's make really good power and have a strong motor, there suspension is a lot better now, and so is the handling.

suzuki's have like.....totally sweet great almost unbeatable handeling, and there valves...i haven't herd any problems with there valves at my work. i have herd they have week clutches, but the cost of a new clutch basket sixes that. but i have herd they're 450's don't make as much power or have different power points than the other ones do....but thats not a thing to worry about with a 450.

ktm's make good power, what i like, come out of the create with a lot of nice extras. there bilt to be easy to work on, and have good handling. the things people don't like about them is the rear suspension doesn't have a linkage on it........(2010's models will, thats when ill probably get my ktm) they have strong motors, but there 144 has been having really bad problems with the cranks  

thanks twist for the awesome pic

really my neighbor has an 08 144 and he hasn't had any problems except for that he let someone borrow it and they put straight gas in it but thats it.  
1998 cr125
2002 cr80

if you have an older 250 you may want to just get a newer one or do some work like suspension rebuild, engine and some new graphics but i definitly wouldnt get a 450  
1998 cr125
2002 cr80

ya the 4 strokes need more maitenece and if your engine ever blows haha good luck ur down 2 grand while with a 2 stroke a rebuild is very cheap and less matinece 4 strokes are good bikes but valve adjustments this and that more mechnacil peices on the bike the more problems  
06 Yamaha YZ 250

4 strokes aint nothin but problems

so ok i'm pretty convinved not to get a 450. but if i'm going to get a newer bike (don't have enough for brand new bike) wat should i get? i've herd YZs have the best power  

theres lots of differnt bikes 4 strokes aint b ad man but damn if they go so does ur wallet

so ya i was lookin for a 2 stroke 250 for a while and i just bought a 06 yz 250 great bike did alot of research on the best bike and i got a killer deal on it here in canada i paid 4400 im sure u can find somthin around ur price rangee just look around but ya the yz250s are great soild bikes so are the honda 250r but ya suuzki makes a 2 stroke as well that is good so check around see wat u like  
06 Yamaha YZ 250

4 strokes aint nothin but problems

honda and ktm had the strongest engines but there are different sides to this story.

the honda and ktm were matched together on the dyno but i heard some bad stuff about the ktm engine. everyone says the honda engine was horrible but it actually wasn't, it needs ridden like a 125. the engine was weird but very powerful. on a muddy track you can wheelie past everyone while they're stuck in the mud but it needs kept in the upper rpm's like a 125.

the yamaha is the most average bike out there. there is something on that bike that will fit everyone. it can be ridden in the woods or the track or whatever you want. it didnt score the highest in any category but came second in every category, the engine is the most usable but definitly not the strongest.

the suzuki's are alwesome at turning. the engine accelerates the fastest but is also weaker at top speeds. so basically the suzuki is great for a supercross track but bad on a track with long straight. the engine will tap out the fastest so that you will get to your top speed faster then the rest but your top speed will be lower and you may get headshake at top speed because the suspension was more set up for turning.

the kawasaki has a horrible suspension. it feels heavy when you ride. it feels like riding a chopper. it one the mxa shootout in 02 i think it was but has pretty much the same engine as yamaha. i would stay away from the kawi's if it were me.

so overall the yamaha has the best bike then i would put the honda second behind it and then the suzuki.  
1998 cr125
2002 cr80

they are all solid bikes yamaha has a very very strong engine very relaible but ya hondas are also very very good and realaible i put yamaha and honda on top ktms are good as well but a little more expensive when lookin for parts but ya its all wat u prefer wat u like and wat color u like haha let me know wat u get man  
06 Yamaha YZ 250

4 strokes aint nothin but problems

I'm really looking at Honda cause i do alot of desert riding. but then i want to start supercross so i dunno i'll have to think bout it. i'll probably get a bike in september  

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