Suzuki Dirt Bikes Forum

Elko, first off, I never once told him to go buy a Yamaha in this post. Did I?

I find it funny that you say that you tell about the advantages and disadvantges. If I am reading this post correctly you did the exact opposite. "crf, are the best 4 stroke out there right now. unbiased opinion." HMM.

Also, you just said, and I quote: "now if you say that there is a big different then all your doing is following what the magazines say."

Hmm, going by what the magazines say...I thought I said I have ridden these bikes? Oh wait, I did say that.  

2009 YZ250F Long Haul

yes this one thread i did not say anything, but i all i ever hear out of you is that yamaha is great, every bike they make is great.

most of the time i say pick your favorite color though. but the crf is a better race bike. i dont say this because i like honda but becuase it is better. better handling, better turning, and a better engine. not the best engine for trails though but better then yamaha's at racing. i am not saying it is the absolute best at everything but better then most other brands. but it is better then yamaha's bike. although kawasaki has a better engine, and suzuki is pretty damn good at turning. these are very small differences and most people cannot tell a difference. that is why i usually say pick your favorite color. there is no deffinitive answer as to what bike is better but all around race machine i would feel most comfortable on a crf.

oh and you better learn how to read because i never said anything that i never believed you that you have ridden them. i do think that you have never ridden a lot of different bikes and i do think that you are a good rider/racer. I do think that you do know what you are talking about sometimes you just seem like you try to make yamaha sound llike a god.

and you never answered me if there was a bike that produced more hp, more power everywhere, more durable, lighter, turned better, handled better, and any thing else you can think of, and it wasnt a yamaha, would you switch to that brand?

if you want my answer i would not switch because i do not care that much becuase it doesnt matter that much to me. i like the color red and i like honda. this doesnt mean i am biased. i still give an honest answer and if i thought there was a better bike right this second i would say that, that bike is better.  
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1998 cr125
2002 cr80

Elko, you do not connect the points. You stated that; if you say that the bikes are different, then you are just following what magazines say. So since I think they are so different, you were indeed infering that I was going by magazines. I was telling you, I go by what I felt when I rode the bikes.

You mention the CRF has "better handling, better turning, and a better engine." Where is your source for this, unless you have ridden both of these bikes to truly compare. I felt that yes, the CRF motor was a tad more powerful, but not as broad as my YZ. I feel like my YZ rev's to the moon where the CRF just runs into the limiter way to quick. Handling and turning is a tough subject. No bike handles better then the other. Each excells in different areas. A YZ will be able to pound down rough straights wide open and never flinch where the CRF will. Its called stability. However, when you create a stable platform is does not have the turn-in as a less stable bike.

Simply stating the CRF handles and turns better is not true. Regardless of what magazines say, the bike does as it was engineered to do. The CRF gives away some stability for its quick turn-in.

Also, to answer your question. That is obvious, of coarse I would do that, but I am still waiting on that bike...  

2009 YZ250F Long Haul

ok i understand that yo go by what you felt but if you truly believe that your not going to be as fast on one bike compared to another then you are not as good of a rider as i thought you were. so my new question for you is do you truly believe that you will be faster on one bike compared to another.

you may be right on the fact on high speed stability but to me everything is stable because i dont even get low speed stability on my current bike because of badly needed rebuilt forks. i am just stating that everything has better high speed stability then my bike.

so currently because there is no bike that is absolutely better at everything you stick to the brand that you trust and you like that brand.  
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1998 cr125
2002 cr80

You crossed the line a bit there...

I dont have thousands of dollars to buy a bike then send the motor, suspension or wtf ever out to get re-done. If you look at my YZ, its 99% bone stock. Can I ride one brand faster then the other, heck yes. I do feel that Yamaha has the best bike out of the box, yes I do feel that. Their suspension action is by far the best. They are light, flickable and the motor easily gets the job done.

You are right, all the bikes are close, but you know what, there are certain things that can make a bike much easier to go faster on, and for me, thats suspension, stability and handling.

Some might find it better to buy a bike off what makes the most power, or what not. I do also choose the YZ line because of their build quality. This is something that Magazine shootouts do not cover. Riding a bike for a few days does not cover what the ownership for the bike will be like. Any of these modern bikes make more then enough power for most guys. And I will say this. I do think that the one and only area where the YZ tails behind is motor. They usually offer a smooth base, but it isnt quite as powerful as the class leader. I spend 224 bucks on my motor and it is stronger then any stock 08 stock 250F. That is why I love my YZ250F.  

2009 YZ250F Long Haul

i dont understand why i crossed the line, i did not mean to offend you, i just wanted to know if you really think one stock bike will make you faster over another stock bike. and i will completely agree with you about most of what you say but i said nothing about modding bikes. i do not feel that one stock bike will make me faster then another stock bike. comparing your bike to another bike really isnt that fair. and i do agree with you that suspension is the most important part to make you faster.

and you proved me right that you go back to yamaha because you trust them. just like why i like honda.  
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1998 cr125
2002 cr80

Its ok to like a brand, but you own a 10 year old bike. Don't give info unless you know what your talking about. You don't even ride 250F's and you have not ridden all the new models to give an analysis. Stop acting like you know your *** when you don't. I almost pissed myself when I saw that you rode your bike for 30 minutes with no coolant.

Oh and the 224 I spent was after doing a top end at over 70 hours. So really the only mod was an intake cam which I spent 116 on shipped.  

2009 YZ250F Long Haul

Game,Set,Match! Sorry again you guys for sticking my nose in, But your awnser to me about going by mag articels is not what i go by. I have access to most bikes from eather the dealer becouse they know i BUY bikes.
Or friends who own them.
I don't think you crossed any line in my opinion. Your stating your point well.
But Is this the same person recomending a 85 2 stroke for a 11 year old 78lbs and first bike? Have you rode a new 85? Good way to get a kid to never want to ride a dirt bike again!
So YOU keep reading the mags, And we will keep riding the bikes. This may sound like a flame. But i like elk, just not his opinion on things he obviously knows nothing about.  
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i do know and i have rode. and i did not ride my bike that long on purpose. first i did not know until i was 15 minutes into my ride. then i found out and i was already way back in the woods and i wasnt going to push my bike that far, so i put some water in it and tried to hit every big puddle i could find. and woods i got my 80 at the same age.

for now on i will not argue something by brand but i will argue that you can just pick a color because one stock bike will not make you faster then another stock bike. because what you are basically saying is that chad reed is going to suck ass because he is now on suzuki and stewart is going to have even better times now because he will be on a yamaha. although they dont ride stock bikes but that is what you are saying.

i am done arguing because i made my point across that one stock bike will not make you faster then another stock bike. and i do not ride a 10 year old bike, i am selling a 10 year old bike and even though you say i do not ride newer bikes or 250f, well you are wrong because i have been as many bikes as i can because i am buying a brand *** new bike in the spring. now you guys got me pissed because you say something that you do not know.  
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Ride 2 strokes, buy 2 strokes, save the 2 stroke.

1998 cr125
2002 cr80

Your wrong beyond belief. Your obviuosly to ignorant to see it. I also know for a fact other members see this too.
Dont tell me chit that I proved you right, you never got your point across. And just because your buying a new bike in the spring does not mean you have riden all these bikes. The chad reed part you said it completly irrelavant. A stock bike is set-up for the majority, a pro riders bike has been set up. If a bike doesnt work for you, it doesnt fricken work. Thats how you can be slower.  

2009 YZ250F Long Haul