What year is this KDX?

Hi Gang,

This is a follow up to a previous thread I started on the same subject. I went to look at a KDX 200 today. The owner thought it was a 1997. When I looked at the tag on the bike, there was a series of letters, and then then numbers 01. A previous responder to my last post had said that the tenth digit would indicate the year. On this bike, the tenth figure was a letter not a number. In any case, the 01 appeared as the 12th and 13th character if I remember correctly. In addition, the owner had the title in hand, so I casually walked over to the bike to see that the VIN matched the title. It did, but the year on the title said 1997. Thougths?
Anyway, the owner is asking 1200, and that comes with a stand, the original pipe, pants, chest protector, brake pads, manuals, spare filters, oil, and I forgot to mention that it has Factory Connection suspension which is set up for 200lbs. I am 175 with gear. It also has metal guards on the rad and brakes.

Thanks for any input guys,

David  

If the tenth digit is not a number I would say that is a dodgey VIN number.  
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The King Of Crumpets - Crumpet Boy!

- 1991 RM125

well if the vin on the bike matches the vin on the title its a 97. if its in good shape i would get it. that is if you want to ride trails.... the suspension maybe a  bit on the stiff side but you can probably adjust the clickers to work for you.
DavidS  
i take a lot of pride in what i am

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local: north east Oregon

terrain type woods with lots of roots & rocks

Thanks for the quick replies guys.

I am no expert, but the title and the VIN plate sure looked great. There was zero indication that any tampering had been done. If it was a 97, wouldnt there be a 97 or a 7 somewhere in the VIN?

D.  

Wait, sorry. I gotta sharpen up, I'm tired. You want there to be a letter in the tenth position.

Does it have a V for the tenth digit?  
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The King Of Crumpets - Crumpet Boy!

- 1991 RM125

Fatherof2, the year is not always represented by a #. Letters are used for the year as well. Here is a run down of the years.
B=1981 C=1982 D=1983 E=1984 F=1985 G=1986 H=1987 J=1988 K=1989 L=1990 M=1991 N=1992 P=1993 R=1994 S=1995 T=1996 V=1997 W=1998 X=1999 Y=2000 1=2001 2=2002 3=2003 4=2004 5=2005 6=2006 7=2007 8=2008 9=2009

So yours should have a V in the tenth degit? Is that correct? $1200 is not a bad price concidering all that goes with it. I own a 95' and have worked on other KDX's so if there is anything I can help you with I'm more then happy to give my 2 cents!  
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wow wait what....rocky if its an 83 as the D letter would denote he would be able to tell just by looking at it right?
DavidS  
i take a lot of pride in what i am

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ride: 02yz426
local: north east Oregon

terrain type woods with lots of roots & rocks

Thanks again guys for all the quick input. I am convinced that the bike is a 97 at this point.

Thanks you Rocky for your offer to help me with the bike. I may just take you up on that.

The bike has about 2 hours on a new top end. I think Im going to offer 1K, and see what that gets me.

Thanks again guys,

David  

Sanders, does this clear it up?

A Vehicle Identification Number, commonly abbreviated to VIN, is a unique serial number used by the automotive industry to identify individual motor vehicles. Prior to 1981, there was not an accepted standard for these numbers, so different manufacturers used different formats.

Modern day VINs consist of 17 characters which do not include the letters I, O, or Q (to avoid confusion with numerals 1 and 0).

There are vehicle history services in several countries that can help potential car owners use VINs to find lemons and branded vehicles. See the used car article for a list of countries where this service is available.
Contents
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   * 1 Components of the VIN
         o 1.1 World Manufacturer Identifier
               + 1.1.1 Country codes
         o 1.2 Vehicle Descriptor Section
               + 1.2.1 North American Check Digits
         o 1.3 Vehicle Identifier Section
               + 1.3.1 Model year encoding
               + 1.3.2 North American Plant Code
   * 2 Check digit calculation
         o 2.1 Transliterating the numbers
         o 2.2 Weights used in calculation
         o 2.3 Worked example
   * 3 See also
   * 4 References
   * 5 External links

[edit] Components of the VIN

Modern-day Vehicle Identification Number systems are based on two related standards, originally issued by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) in 1979 and 1980; ISO 3779 and ISO 3780, respectively. Compatible but somewhat different implementations of these ISO standards have been adopted by the European Union and the United States of America.[1]

The VIN is composed of the following sections:
Standard 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
ISO 3779 World Manufacturer Identifier VDS VIS
European Union
& North America

more than 500 vehicles/year
World Manufacturer Identifier Vehicle Attributes Check Digit Model Year Plant Code Sequential Number
European Union
& North America

fewer than 500 vehicles/year
World Manufacturer Identifier Vehicle Attributes Check Digit Model Year Plant Code Manufacturer Identifier Sequential Number

[edit] World Manufacturer Identifier

The first three characters uniquely identify the manufacturer of the vehicle using the World Manufacturer Identifier or WMI code. A manufacturer who builds fewer than 500 vehicles per year uses a 9 as the third digit and the 12th, 13th and 14th position of the VIN for a second part of the identification. Some manufacturers use the third character as a code for a vehicle category (e.g., bus or truck), a division within a manufacturer, or both. For example, within 1G (assigned to General Motors in the United States), 1G1 represents Chevrolet passenger cars; 1G2, Pontiac passenger cars; and 1GC, Chevrolet trucks.

The Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) in the US assigns WMIs to countries and manufacturers.[2]

The first character of the WMI is the region in which the manufacturer is located. In practice, each is assigned to a country of manufacture.

In the notation below, assume that letters precede numbers and that zero is the last number. For example, 8X-82 denotes 8X, 8Y, 8Z, 81, 82. In particular this does not include 80.

[edit] Country codes
A–H = Africa J–R = Asia S–Z = Europe 1–5 = North America 6–7 = Oceania 8–9 = South America

AA-AH South Africa
AJ-AN Ivory Coast
AP-A0 not assigned
BA-BE Angola
BF-BK Kenya
BL-BR Tanzania
BS-B0 not assigned
CA-CE Benin
CF-CK Madagascar
CL-CR Tunisia
CS-C0 not assigned
DA-DE Egypt
DF-DK Morocco
DL-DR Zambia
DS-D0 not assigned
EA-EE Ethiopia
EF-EK Mozambique
EL-E0 not assigned
FA-FE Ghana
FF-FK Nigeria
FL-F0 not assigned
GA-G0 not assigned
HA-H0 not assigned


JA-JT Japan
KA-KE Sri Lanka
KF-KK Israel
KL-KR Korea (South)
KS-K0 not assigned
LA-L0 China
MA-ME India
MF-MK Indonesia
ML-MR Thailand
MS-M0 not assigned
NF-NK Pakistan
NL-NR Turkey
NS-N0 not assigned
PA-PE Philippines
PF-PK Singapore
PL-PR Malaysia
PS-P0 not assigned
RA-RE United Arab Emirates
RF-RK Taiwan
RL-RR Vietnam
RS-R0 not assigned


SA-SM Great Britain
SN-ST Germany
SU-SZ Poland
S1-S0 not assigned
TA-TH Switzerland
TJ-TP Czech Republic
TR-TV Hungary
TW-T1 Portugal
T2-T0 not assigned
UA-UG not assigned
UH-UM Denmark
UN-UT Ireland
UU-UZ Romania
U1-U4 not assigned
U5-U7 Slovakia
U8-U0 not assigned
VA-VE Austria
VF-VR France
VS-VW Spain
VX-V2 Yugoslavia
V3-V5 Croatia
V6-V0 Estonia
WA-W0 Germany
XA-XE Bulgaria
XF-XK Greece
XL-XR Netherlands
XS-XW Russia
XX-X2 Luxembourg
X3-X0 Russia
YA-YE Belgium
YF-YK Finland
YL-YR Malta
YS-YW Sweden
YX-Y2 Norway
Y3-Y5 Belarus
Y6-Y0 Ukraine
ZA-ZR Italy
ZS-ZW not assigned
ZX-Z2 Slovenia
Z3-Z5 Lithuania
Z6-Z0 not assigned


1A-10 United States
2A-20 Canada
3A-3W Mexico
3X-37 Costa Rica
38-30 Cayman Islands
4A-40 United States
5A-50 United States


6A-6W Australia
6X-60 not assigned
7A-7E New Zealand
7F-70 not assigned


8A-8E Argentina
8F-8K Chile
8L-8R Ecuador
8S-8W Peru
8X-82 Venezuela
83-80 not assigned
9A-9E Brazil
9F-9K Colombia
9L-9R Paraguay
9S-9W Uruguay
9X-92 Trinidad & Tobago
93-99 Brazil
90 not assigned

[edit] Vehicle Descriptor Section

The 4th through 9th positions in the VIN are the Vehicle Descriptor Section or VDS. This is used, according to local regulations, to identify the vehicle type and may include information on the platform used, the model, and the body style. Each manufacturer has a unique system for using this field. Most manufacturers since the 1980s have used the 8th digit to identify the engine type whenever there is more than one engine choice for the vehicle. Example: for the 2007 Chevrolet Corvette U= 6.0L V8, E= 7.0L V8.

[edit] North American Check Digits

One element that is fairly consistent is the use of position 9 as a check digit, compulsory for vehicles in North America, and used fairly consistently even outside this rule.

[edit] Vehicle Identifier Section

The 10th through 17th positions are used as the Vehicle Identifier Section or VIS. This is used by the manufacturer to identify the individual vehicle in question. This may include information on options installed or engine and transmission choices, but often is a simple sequential number. In fact, in North America, the last five digits must be numeric.

[edit] Model year encoding

One consistent element of the VIS is the 10th digit, which is required (in North America) to encode the model year of the vehicle. Besides the three letters that are not allowed in the VIN itself (I, O and Q), the letters U and Z and the digit 0 are not used for the model year code. Note that the year code is the model year for the vehicle.

The year 1980 was encoded by some manufacturers, especially General Motors and Chrysler, as "A" (since the 17-digit VIN wasn't mandatory until 1981, and the "A" or zero was in the manufacturer's pre-1981 placement in the VIN), yet Ford and AMC still used a zero for 1980. Subsequent years increment through the allowed letters, so that "Y" represents the year 2000. 2001 through 2009 are encoded as the digits 1 through 9, and subsequent years are encoded as "A", "B", "C", etc.
Code Year Code Year Code Year Code Year
A = 1980 L = 1990 Y = 2000 A = 2010
B = 1981 M = 1991 1 = 2001 B = 2011
C = 1982 N = 1992 2 = 2002 C = 2012
D = 1983 P = 1993 3 = 2003 D = 2013
E = 1984 R = 1994 4 = 2004 E = 2014
F = 1985 S = 1995 5 = 2005 F = 2015
G = 1986 T= 1996 6 = 2006 G = 2016
H = 1987 V = 1997 7 = 2007 H = 2017
J = 1988 W = 1998 8 = 2008 J = 2018
K = 1989 X = 1999 9 = 2009 K = 2019

[edit] North American Plant Code

Another consistently-used element (which is compulsory in North America) is the use of the 11th character to encode the factory of manufacture of the vehicle. Although each manufacturer has their own set of plant codes, their location in the VIN is standardized.

[edit] Check digit calculation

If trying to validate a VIN with a check digit, first either: (a) remove the check digit for the purpose of calculation; or (b) utilize the multiplicative property of zero in the weight to cancel it out. You should later compare the original value of the check digit with the calculated value. If the two values do not match (and there was no error in the calculation), then there is a mistake in the VIN. However, a match does not prove the VIN is correct, because there is still a 1 in 11 chance of any two distinct VINs having a matching check digit.

[edit] Transliterating the numbers

Transliteration consists of removing all of the letters and substituting them with their appropriate numerical counterparts. These numerical alternatives can be found in the following chart. I, O and Q are not allowed, and can not exist in a valid VIN; for the purpose of this chart, they have been filled in with N/A (not applicable). Numerical digits use their own values.
Transliteration key: values for VIN Decoding A: 1 B: 2 C: 3 D: 4 E: 5 F: 6 G: 7 H: 8 N/A
J: 1 K: 2 L: 3 M: 4 N: 5 N/A P: 7 N/A R: 9
S: 2 T: 3 U: 4 V: 5 W: 6 X: 7 Y: 8 Z: 9

S is 2, and not 1. There is no left-alignment linearity.

[edit] Weights used in calculation

The following is the weight factor for each position in the VIN. The 9th position is that of the check digit. It has been substituted with a 0, which will cancel it out in the multiplication step.
Position 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
Weight 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 10 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2

[edit] Worked example

Consider the hypothetical VIN 1M8GDM9A_KP042788, where the underscore will be the check digit.
VIN 1 M 8 G D M 9 A 0 K P 0 4 2 7 8 8
Value 1 4 8 7 4 4 9 1 0 2 7 0 4 2 7 8 8
Weight 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 10 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2
Products 8 28 48 35 16 12 18 10 0 18 56 0 24 10 28 24 16

  1. The VIN's Value is calculated from the above table, this number will be used in the rest of the calculation.
  2. Copy over the weights from the above table.
  3. The products row is a result of the multiplication of the vertical columns: Value and Weight.
  4. The products (8,28,48,35..24,16) are all added together to yield a sum of 351
  5. One of the following operations:
         * 351 MOD 11 = 10
               o 351 ÷ 11 = 31 10/11
         * 351 ÷ 11 = 31.9090- (Requires a lookup table)
  6. The remainder is the check digit. If the remainder is 10 then the check digit is X. In this example the remainder is 10, so the check digit is transliterated into X.

With a check digit of 'X' the VIN: 1M8GDM9A_KP042788 is written as: 1M8GDM9AXKP042788.

Straight-ones (seventeen consecutive '1's) will suffice the check-digit. This is because a value of one, multiplied against 89 (sum of weights), is still 89. And 89 % 11 is 1, the check digit. This is an easy way to test a VIN-check algorithm.  
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The King Of Crumpets - Crumpet Boy!

- 1991 RM125

Glad to help there D! The bike is worth $1200 if he doesn't go for the $1000. With the rad and brake gaurds, manual, chest protector suspention set-up ect are well worth the extra $200! I wouldn't worry about the suspention being set for a 200lbs rider. The stock suspention is for up to 180lbs and you are pushing that so I think you'll be fine, just add a few more beers to the belly!HAHA

If you do end up with the bike post some pic for us to check out!  
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"These are the things that condition the man, seldom shown the ways to understand"

dang joe! i ment since fatherof2 thought the 10th digit was a d which is an 83 he would be able to tell the difference...



good luck hope the bike works out for you
DavidS  
i take a lot of pride in what i am

___________________
ride: 02yz426
local: north east Oregon

terrain type woods with lots of roots & rocks

OK Gang,

It is a done deal. The seller agreed to 1100 dollars.

Here is what I got.

1. 1997 KDX 200                                18. Motocross Work Stand
2. 3 hours on new top end.                     19. Triangle Stand
3. Bark Busters                                20. Box of Various Parts
4. Skid Plate
5. Metal Brake Guards
6. After Market Pipe w/ Carbon Fiber Guard
7. Stock Pipe
8. Manuals
9. Spare Brake Pads
10. Oil
11. Spare Air Filters
12. Pants
13. Chest Protector
14.Jersey
15. After Market Seat Cover
16. Factory Connections Suspension
17. Radiator Guards

I will post up some pictures soon I hope. Wish me luck!

Thanks for everyones input,

D.  

WOW!

Sounds like you got a STEAL! Congrats!  
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The King Of Crumpets - Crumpet Boy!

- 1991 RM125

D. you know you need a photobucket account to post pics right?


sounds like a great bike congrats
DavidS  
i take a lot of pride in what i am

___________________
ride: 02yz426
local: north east Oregon

terrain type woods with lots of roots & rocks

Sanders,

Can you advise me as to how I do that?

Thank you,

David